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The gun is a good shooter but the hammer comes down solid on the nipples, enough that the hammer isn't fully down. to identify the manufacturer. 0000060740 00000 n
Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. F.A.P. I have searched for this site but can't find it. 0000141211 00000 n
Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. 1992 = BB. H\j0~ Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. Well worth some research. The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. 0000050991 00000 n
By DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up. 0000099401 00000 n
The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. Thanks, Spence. Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000117775 00000 n
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If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000009592 00000 n
I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). arsenal marks, you will find other marks or stampings. August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM #10: Fingers McGee. skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. . 0000105108 00000 n
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Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing.
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It may not display this or other websites correctly. Misc. The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. 3. THINGS THAT GO BANG! As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. Bookmark It is becoming apparent that the major manufacturers used these shops as sub-contractors as a source of parts as well as complete revolvers for those distributors seeking cheaper and cheaper guns. Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. startxref
August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. 1891 - present 16 According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. %PDF-1.4
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These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 0000042008 00000 n
:hmm: Thanks for the help. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Thanks for posting those codesI use them quite often to make sure the correct parts are ordered. View Models. the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. 0000015377 00000 n
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1945 = 1. Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. Rifles & Musket Information. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. These 0000005765 00000 n
An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. 0000002251 00000 n
So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. 0000049974 00000 n
The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. Italian Date Codes. 0000004861 00000 n
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The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. Board Of On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. Caliber is .45 and barrel is smoothbore. Marlin-Savage-Winchester The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every 1946 = 2. It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. 1: A true smoothbore rifle. 0000136869 00000 n
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The lower right face of the octagonal barrel says, "A.S.M. Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. %%EOF
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Italian Gun Manufactures Proof Marks & Dates 41 2 comments Best Add a Comment csaduck 4 yr. ago Many of us have Italian guns that were not quite sure of the date of manufacture, this is a list I got a few years ago (2003) and hope it helps out. Weekly . Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. 0000007161 00000 n
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Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. These include the The wholesalers from Italy listed on our website are able to fulfill large bulk orders or hunting equipment on a short notice, making it easy to import and export ammunition and guns to and from virtually any country in the world. A picture of your revolver uploaded from your files would provide the other clues as to what specific model you have. Not common but very neat. reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. 0000004172 00000 n
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$399.00. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm Serial Number: 12150. Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska Some of the tables stop at 2010 or so. 0000005942 00000 n
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Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. You are using an out of date browser. 0000062418 00000 n
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Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). I cant seem to find the exact one any where. 1970 = XXVI. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| 0000009076 00000 n
Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. Thanks, Claude. 0000010518 00000 n
The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). Many of the models imported are classified as curios and relics. (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. 0000001623 00000 n
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