That includes cornets, trumpets, horns, trombones, euphoniums and basses. > Silver & Gold (1) The alto also lacks the body-to-bell-key-cage pantsguard- perhaps if we could find out if a 266,xxx horn would have that, that could tell us something. 0 bids. Gold Plate (0), Burnished Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. So saxophones may not be numbered sequentially. From 1987 on, the two-digit prefix number plus 50 will give you the year of manufacture. C soprano $1000 It was designed by my good friend and legend Santy Runyon. is characterized by: 1. Serial numbers can be used to identify supposedly better instruments. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. After 1937 all 26Ms were marked VIII until the end of production in 1942. direct mechanical action. These horns are bargains. Tenor $ 2800 Deduct 10% for lacquer, add 30% for gold. Ive never seen them in anything but lacquer. I would encourage those critics to do their own research and publish their own findings. Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. The evolution in keywork design. hand burnished. More than with any other model, condition is everything. 6M Ok, on with the article. 6 : Body heavily nickel plated and highly polished, pearl - 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked Lady" one-side-bell-key M series by ABOUT 263xxx. > I believe Finish 3 refers to a silver-plated horn without Alto Zephyr Spcl. a new alto was introduced which set the saxophone world on The baritones are extremely rare and fabulous! Tenor $ 2400 Loyalist website. 262xxx is a transitional, that plays like a 6M . They play rather nicely. They are often beautifully engraved. left hand pinky table completely redesigned, low B and Bb both one-piece keys Records the default button state of the corresponding category & the status of CCPA. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . I have based my valuations upon the following assumptions: (1) the instrument is in perfect playing condition and needs nothing in terms of repair (2) the finish is original and completely intact (3) the original case is intact (4) the instrument has not been altered or modified from its original condition, having the correct style pads, springs, no neck pickups etc. Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold. a pentagon. Comments, Tenor 30M $ 4000 The best vintage tenor, IMHO * The S prefix, while used until the mid-80s, was not always seen on serial numbers. Bass $ 7500. bore and tonehole placement redesigned. Why was the mistake a zero stamp in the second digit in both cases instead of anything else? About the 6Mand the stamp (Paul Lindemeyer). Baritone $6500 There are a few low A baritones. 3900000. Stripe sets this cookie cookie to process payments. C melody $ 800 bored :). rolled-tone-hole (HP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with M SERIES 260XXX 834XXX The character of the sound that . Soprano $1500 The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Alto $1200 > Silver & Gold (1) 5 model, but with New Wonder or plain engraving. Saxophone.org. Plate (2) Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold plate. S-1 Alto $ 1800 It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. Take a look at THIS There are, of course, a very few Super 20 baritones, some with silver necks (add 15%) and I have seen one with a silver bell. There are only alto and tenor horns in this series. Lots of minor variations along the line: necks; engraving; side key attachment etc., but even the worst of them is not bad. This cookie is set by DoubleClick to note the user's specific user identity. Its important that the serial numbers on the neck match the body. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. This is a partial list, and represents only some of the most visible changes. This is essentially a renamed Super with different engraving. 8M C Melody Tenor Before the current model lineup evolved, Keilworth imported some nice horns stamped The New King with rolled tone holes and plastic key guards (must be intact) that have a small following. didn't change until around 263xxx. that doesn't have "6M" These later examples play very well, but you should deduct 50%.. All of this series is mostly found in lacquer, so add 25% for silver, and 35% for the very rare gold examples. Add 20% for gold and 40% for gold with artist engraving and mother of pearl key touches. > Silver In other words, Better feel and intonation than the Balanced.. from 1930 to 1940. It is playable but is in need of service. So whatever these X horns are,I have worked on three of them- two tenors and an alto. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. body and nickle keys " not realizing the variety of It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. 6 Tenor $1400 But thealto model itself the model we today call 6M first appeared in 1931 and continued in production in various forms until Conn dropped its pro line saxes in 1969. 1 ("Silver & Gold"): Body heavily silver plated, Eb Baritone Please consider. Resources. The fourth character indicated the instrument: The remaining numbers indicated the production number within the month. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Baritone Naked Lady with You can buy two wonderful old Conns for what some people are asking for Selmers of the same era. Then came some #277k horns markedVIII NATLon both the hornandneck. rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Naked Lady with By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Baritone Magna $ 3600. The pattern stays the same, but it takes up a larger space on the bell. Indeed, prefixing M for saxophone was probably done for the same reasons of record-keeping during the sax boom of the mid 20s. but it's aftermarket. These horns have a real cult following. Starting at serial #245xxx, the low Bb keycup moves to the left side of the bell, the octave key moves to the underside of the neck, and the one-piece thumbhook is replaced by a swivel assembly. The Transitional 6Ms, as theyre known today, are those altos with some portion of the 6M design, but without the 6M stamp. To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. I did not consider auction sales (such as E-Bay); private sales between individuals who are not regular dealers; pawn shop or other irregular sources, or any anecdotal stories. Goodson's Conn 3, 1884 C.G. > Satin Gold Plate (0) The engraving is usually not too elaborate. 20 July 2012 Cornet section: Replaced picture on 20A Flugelhorn (1926). with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have The prices range from around $1000 for one in not-so-great shape needing an overhaul to around $2700 for a freshly overhauled excellent condition example- with the rare gold plate or an extremely pristine STDD or VIII stamped version sometimes going for a bit more than that. Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items . sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, inside of XI No. Copyright 1994 - 2023. are used by permission. Bare Brass (4) They are undervalued. quotes. note that there are later relacquered > These are merely the most obvious physical changes to the alto, which also had an entirely new and much-improved key mechanism and a new body tube, giving improved intonation and much easier volume control. The first character of the serial number indicated the decade; The second character indicated the month of the year; The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). A It is rumoured that there is a scam, by which somebody who acquires your serial number can then claim the instrument is theirs. the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 6M Bass $ 7000, COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE II THROUGH 1945 When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. Holton - Chicago; . rolled-tone-holes, Eb Baritone Naked Lady with It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. Most are in silver. have been contacted by someone who said that he had a horn Beautiful Conn gold plated Art Deco Transitional model alto. Mystery Horns with the X after the Serial. This series is characterized by: 1. rolled-tone-hole (HP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with lengthening of the altissimo keys and the addition of an adjustable : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips > Ive always thought that horns without the optional high F# key played a little better. all pitches were completely transitioned to the "Naked Or you want to play a horn with a number that is close to your idols saxophone. I've not seen Finish 5 on any Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The 234,xxx saxophone with the sculpted side E key would have been produced in late 1929, and this first modification to the New Wonder II would have been a direct result of the founding a little over a year earlier of Conns famed Experimental Laboratory led by saxophone design genius Allen Loomis. 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