God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. The basic trouble with going far right on the ecclesiastical spectrum: radical right; radical Catholic reactionary, is how far right does one go? Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. Brothers squabbling a bit is the inevitable cost of abandonment by our spiritual fathers; all of us have various talents, but none of us have authority to pronounce on theological questions. "The Catholic Monitor" Butchers My View of Papal Lucas Banzoli Misrepresents Chrysostom's Eucharistic Theology. I used to watch Dr. Taylor Marshall, a Catholic theologian and blogger, quite a bit and he used to do these podcasts with fellow Catholic theologian Timothy J. Gordon. If it is an apologists opinion, not the teaching of the Church I ask, Do you receive the Sacraments from so and so? Do you go to your apologist when you have a problem in your marriage? Where does so and so receive authority to teach? And it is contrary to the above discussed dogma that no Pope can teach heresy or grave error, i.e. And what will happen after the Pontificate of Francis, if a conservative Pope is elected? Whether you agree with Marshall or not, Francis publicly stated that the diversity of religions falls under the permissive will of God. This shouldnt be engaged in public. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven, Im not a grudge holder. Thats why. If the book were pulled from publication, you might have thought it would be after the publisher faced pushback from scholars taking issue with its provocative reading of the Catholic intellectual tradition. It turns out that Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon have had a disagreement regarding SSPX going back to January. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIIIs IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis[.] But the book has not received universal acclaim among Catholic women. You would not have predicted that Ask Your Husband would become controversial because too many people were eager to be associated with its ideas, and to claim its arguments as their own. Are they clarifying or scarifying? All the while, Marshall continues to receive Communion, despite rejecting the Roman Pontiff. Sounds a bit petty, but I have noticed there's a lot of division and debate in the Catholic blogosphere regarding the SSPX. In another video, Taylor Marshall says this: I think the Pope has said heretical things. Get over it. The document identifies sections he says are paraphrased, use similar syntax, and have similar sources even texts he says are rare. It is also a schismatic statement, since no one submits their minds and hearts to a Pope whom they think has said heretical things. I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. This practice results from, among other things, our respect for our various authors.. Do any have a Mandatum from their bishop to teach? But we are fallen sinners, and God is merciful. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. Irrelevant. David Gordon says his sister-in-law Stephanie did just that, by lifting a central section of Ask Your Husband from his own efforts. Daves position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. (2) No Pope can commit apostasy, heresy, or schism, for then his faith would have failed. He simply tweeted his appreciation on Easter Sunday to the SSPX because he and his family were able to physically go to Mass and receive the Sacraments on Easter Sunday. (4-14-20, 4:56 PM), I dont think you get it. Patrick is the Canadian-born former host of "Catholic Answers Live," and he has raving fans around the world. Tim appeared regularly on Marshalls YouTube show until early 2020, with the pair calling themselves TNT - Taylor and Tim. Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. Even an atheist will acknowledge that. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon are one of the funniest Catholic guys on Youtube. The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. (4-12-20, 9:34 PM). I think it comes dangerously close. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. Is there actually a breaking point? But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIIIs IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis, Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. It goes Scripture, patristics, scholastics, magisterium, modern magisterium. Mind your business Steve. (4:02 PM), Why all the handwringing about civility? Tim tweeted that he wasnt certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity, and said that Marshalls evolution regarding SSPX was likely a factor. (10:22 PM), Taylor, can you tell me in a sentence why SSPX is necessary when FSSP exists? I used to believe this nonsense as well. A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? He is refusing to be taught by Pope Francis. Ive been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander[.] (11:39 PM), God bless FSSP! (3:17 PM), Imagine being me in this situation. erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Another wrong SSPX talking point. I think it comes dangerously close. One has the right to defend ones reputation[.]. They do not teach the love of God, nor the love of neighbor. Only one offering mass, confession and benediction for over a month.], For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. Bestselling author of "Infiltration" and 10 other books. And when Marshall says more hereticalthan anything in Amoris Laetitia, he implies a further accusation, that Amoris Laetitia contains heresy. (10:31 AM), Its a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. The latter of which was/is troubling and misleading[.] He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz Im not Trad enuf for biz expsn[.] (4-14-20, 4:58 PM), It is fixable. Tim and David Gordon urged that attending Mass and receiving other sacraments from the SSPX could put a soul in peril. The latter of which was/is troubling and misleading, Im not convinced SSPX is in schismatic! Care to say more than a drive-by insult, Fr Khouri? (3:39 PM), Nonsense. No particular deference is due to him (think Protestant). To prove his point, David produced a 28-page side-by-side comparison of excerpts from his own manuscript and his sister-in-laws. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. So Marshall believes that Pope Francis has espoused particular heretical ideas. Many of the complaints David raised about Stephanie Gordons book, Tim said, were about the use of the same sources: Were talking about Ephesians 5 and other things from Scripture. I wanted to continue, even w/ above: we were saving souls and thats all I care about: (7:57 PM), Thats why youll always see me warning against SSPX even though its trending now and him riding the wave. Everyone KNOWS what the modernists were trying to do. Its destructive and wrong. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. Thats the problem. People hold up a Black Lives Matter banner as they march during a demonstration against racial inequality in Washington, D.C., June 14, 2020. It will not. Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. The West is now ready for the RETROGRADE programme of recovery. Hes claiming ownership to the eight or nine broadly speaking antifeminist Scriptural pulls that everyone would know.. Im always in need of more funds: especially. He wasn't just a teacher, he was a department chair, and popular with the area's conservative Catholics. If youre tired of politically correct mediaspeak, you want to see God back in the public square, and youre not allergic to having a laugh, you will love this podcast. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the . Look at what the Church says on the matter: Debating an issue is fragging? It needs to stop. The relatio of Vatican I makes it clear that the Fathers of the Council intended to assert as dogma the teaching of Doctor of the Church Saint Robert Bellarmine that the Pope cannot in any way be heretical, or publicly teach heresy. David said directly that he doubted his sister-in-law could have read and analyzed sociological scholarship cited in the book, adding that some sections were inconsistent with its overall tone and structure. But according to correspondence obtained by The Pillar, Sophia decided in March 2020 not to publish No Christian Feminism, and released the intellectual property rights for each chapter to the brothers who had composed them. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). Steph and I tried calling, texting, and to get mutual friends and colleagues to mediate the dispute, or just to convince him to pick up the phone and return my calls. Most of the book is references to The Simpsons, and Rocky and Bullwinkle, and The Office. Maybe, but his schism is not. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. (1:49 PM), Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. I assume Tim wants to spend his time working on a podcast that makes him money rather than making Taylor Marshall money ManousBS1Each 3 yr. ago No they're still friends. I think Im a great champion for women. Those who reject the Magisterium, grasp at straws seeking its replacement. If they try and publish this elsewhere, it will be over my dead body. (8:04 PM), no pattern except that I wish them both welltheyre both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELLspoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls[.] I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. Of course, some so-called religions have no substantial good in them. I would never frag ya, Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. A version of Ask Your Husband incorporating Stephs attemptedredactions will again be available for internet purchase, in a small matter of weeks. His cohort in over 100. But the meaning of the Council inheres in the text[.] Press J to jump to the feed. Self-described feminist singer Paula Cole had a hit single in 1996 titled Where Have All the Cowboys Gone, in which she bemoaned the dearth of real men (Where is my John Wayne; where is my prairie song; where is my happy ending; where have all the cowboys gone?). Thank you! Because there are many religions, and why are there many religions? You said precisely about a schismatic slur[.] But his wife did not plagiarize, he insisted. NOT TOO LATE! (10:25 AM), A) shes calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. My Podcast link: (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. To read the Kindle versions of my books, without a Kindle device, get the free cloud reader or any of the free Kindle reading apps. Friendly reminder that all top level comments must: start with "answer:" (or "question:" if you have an on-topic follow up question to ask). It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP bootlickers, a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. He injects these fascinating interviews with his own distinctive blend of depth and levity. In a Catholic World Report review, Favale wrote that Ask Your Husband makes no attempt at a coherent theology of marriage or womanhood., Favale said the books author proof-texts, pulling quotes from scripture, magisterial texts, and random websites (gotquestions.org?) Now, recall (above) when Taylor Marshall said that if you accuse the Pope of heresy you also have to say: And therefore I am not in communion with him. Well, he is accusing the Pope of heresy, so he is not in communion with him. Then, given our sinfulness and brokenness, God positively wills that there be other religions, such as the Christian denominations, present-day Judaism, and moderate peaceful Islam, so as to bring more souls to Him. Taylor had highly recommended my work for years, thanked me in at least one of his books, and carried an ad for my books on his site for several years. Tim Gordon has nearly 40,000 YouTube subscribers, and his weekly livestreams regularly draw tens of thousands of viewers. Husband, and Father to 8 children. Only dad does. One can only approximate how much one wouldnt have known if they hadnt seen someone elses citationsIn terms of the approximate remediability of pretending to know something you wouldnt have known if you hadnt read someones work but were going to research the same topic, how much of their sources would you have found?, Well when were talking about scripture and major encyclicals that pretty much everyone that knows anything about this knows, and you talk to the person for a long time, its really hard to come to a conclusion other than, yes, Steph would have known where to look in the scripture, because I knew. Youll see the term Catholic Used Book Service, which is my old side-business. Learn how your comment data is processed. Why we need to stop validating the word feminism (namely its toxic meaning) with some kind of nice adjective, like Christian feminism, new feminism.. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. This limited communication should not be interpreted negatively or positively, the publisher added. I learned a lot from him.. Wow. Oh, really? David told The Pillar he discovered the alleged plagiarism in mid-March, and set to work documenting what had happened. Ego kills. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. These types of religions hinder the path of salvation, and are will by God only in the sense that He wills to permit sin because of free will. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. The Firing of Tim Gordon. David, author Stephanie Gordons brother-in-law, told The Pillar that crucial sections of Ask Your Husband were plagiarized from his own unpublished critique of feminism. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon. They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. (4-16-20, 3:20 PM). No one has the authority to do that, as the Popes decisions are not subject to review. Im asking.Thanks. They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. But right here, thats a judgment and accusation against the Pope of teaching material heresy. My Episode 71 interview with Rev. I recognize Pope Francis as the Pope. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to therebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. (12:36 PM), Dave and I disagree about *how close* VC2 comes to embracing ecumenism/modernism. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. Tim rose to popularity among some conservative and traditionalist Catholics when he began appearing regularly in 2018 on the livestream show of well-known YouTube provocateur Taylor Marshall. You may not accuse the Pope of heresy. Ask Your Husband argues that men should govern women, that men helping with housework are guilty of soft transgenderism, and that a wife should seek her husbands consent before leaving the house. 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